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Tony Dayoub

I have to disagree with you and the Post. The only reason these animateds work is because their cultish audience (myself included) has seen all of them and many of these viewers have read the comic books they reference. You can get in and out of these little gems with little to no exposition because the assumption is that if you're watching them you already know the backstory. The movies are for a general audience that has little motivation to invest their time in backstories. It's one reason you constantly have the origins being retold over and over again. Their target audience is grandma in Peoria as well as Lance in New York. And while Lance in New York will keep going to these movies hoping one of them one day comes close to living up to his beloved childhood comics (sorry, you're the built-in audience, pal... you did see GREEN LANTERN despite it looking supremely shitty, didn't you?), Grandma in Peoria is only going to pay for a ticket if she hears, "Yeah, it's pretty good... don't worry, you don't have to have seen any of the other Superman movies to get it."

The reason JUSTICE LEAGUE won't work is simple. Marvel heroes were fundamentally designed by Lee and Kirby to coexist in the same universe. DC heroes were created piecemeal, rarely interacting in the early days (just go back to those comics where the approach is as if each superhero is the only man in his world who possesses such powers). Superman is only special if he is the only man on Earth who is super. Once you have a Flash running as fast as he can, or faster, or a Green Lantern with arguably more power in his ring than Superman could ever express, show's over. I may sound cynical, but I enjoy these movies for what they are. Because you're alternate versions will only exist if anyone is ever willing to burn $200 million on what amounts to a niche movie.

Sorry for the diatribe... free time on my hands at the moment.

Lance Mannion

Tony, no need to apologize for the diatribe. Good points. But...you're not disagreeing with me. You're disagreeing with Oliver and Ken and Tim Donnelly of the Post. I've seen the cartoons only because I watched them with the guys when they were little kids. My memory of them's hazy. I do, however, defer to their knowledge and judgment.

As for a Justice League movie, the real problem I see is that the people likely to make it have no real idea what they'd do with it. There's also the problem that the movie would have to introduce everybody but Superman. It's a little hard to get to know and care about eight main characters in the first 15 minutes of a movie, which I suspect is how the producers would try to handle it in order to maximize the action.

PS, I didn't see Green Lantern. Looked awful. The boys did. They thought it was awful.

Dave

The problem with a JL movie will be the producers' feeling that they have to give origins for everyone. You don't need that any more than you need to re-introduce Superman every time. The Flash? "That guy who runs fast/The fastest man alive." Green Lantern? "Has a ring that allows him to create anything." Any of these can be done by a skillful screenwriter in one line -- although given the ineptness shown by Goyer and company, asking for that is asking for -way- too much.

Oh, and the best Joker? It's Corey Burton. By a mile. (And as much as I hate the Batman TV show, Romero is an easy second.)

george.w

I have a full box set of Batman The Animated Series and it is awesomely high-quality storytelling. If it required knowledge of the story, fine - but it is the best incarnation of Batman that I have seen. Certainly the most fun and in places, the darkest. I re-watched them last year.

actor212

Tony, I disagree mildly. For one thing, one of the best Superman issues from the 70s was his race around the world with Flash, who couldn't lift a locomotive.

Indeed, one of the best parts of Superman films is seeing his limits: he can't be everywhere at the same time. The best Justice League episodes, like the best Avengers episodes, are when there's an existential and broad threat to the world.

I mean, let's face facts: Thor's a god. Your logic should apply even more to him than Supes, yet the Avengers work as both a graphic novel and film.

Lance, they wouldn't really have to introduce Batman, would they?

Lance Mannion

Carl, I'm thinking about introducing the actors as much as the characters, so it would depend on who's playing him. I've seen talk that Bale might be willing to come back for it.

Tony Dayoub

actor212, one of the reasons that Superman/Flash race was so effective was because team-ups were so infrequent in the 70s they felt like events. CRISIS felt monumental because one had never seen an event so cataclysmic that it required every superhero to unite against a common foe. Now, there's a crossover event every 6 months, the comic book equivalent of hit-bait in the blogosphere.

I don't agree on the equivalency you make between Thor and Supes, by the way. On a meta-textual level, Superman is a reflection of us filtered through the Moses/Jesus messiah story with a dash of American interventionism thrown in for some political relevancy. Thor is more basic. He's a revival of Norse mythology brought in to Marvel as a gateway into their cosmic realms. God or not, Superman has problems I can relate to. Even the most human of Thor's problems, royal court intrigue, operate on a level beyond my day-to-day.

Ken Houghton

I'm with the boys on Mark Hamill being the best Joker. Though I stipulate that Caesar Romero was playing a much different character.

And I would care a lot more about a Legion of Super Heroes movie--look at the boost they gave Smallville--than a JLA film. Even with Christian Bale, Cate Blanchett or Emily Blunt as Black Canary, and (has it really come to this?) Amy Adams as Wonder Woman.

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