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Uncle Merlin

Powerful stuff.

The old Chinese curse, May you live in interesting times.

actor212

It would behoove the Catholic Church to reconcile their ideology to secular law, and not the other way around. For example, they (internally) could make some distinction between marriages for procreation and marriages that express the love between two adult Christians (I limit it because we are talking about a religion, after all.)

The two categories could overlap, even be concentric, but that would satisfy the canon and the state. It's happened before in church history, like the rules governing food you can eat during Lent.

S McCoy

I'll take actor212's idea one step further. In my opinion, we should differentiate between religious marriages and secular ones (civil unions?)....and not just for gay couples. A church/religion has every right to define what constitutes a valid marriage in their theology....and you have every right not to go to their church. We could go a long way toward ending the culture wars if we'd stop insisting that other people have to believe the same things we do. But then again, I don't believe either side really has much interest in ending the war.

Molly, NYC

The crimes have been going on for centuries.

Fixed.
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Remember the Vatican bad-mouthing American nuns a couple of weeks ago?
Priests get salaries (or allowances, or honoraria or whatever the term-of-art is) from the Church, but women's orders have to be self-supporting. As a result, a lot of nuns' orders own or control schools, hospitals, endowment funds and other assets.

If you believe the Vatican, they had nothing more pressing to do in 2009 than instigate a three-year "visitation" on American sisters to see if any of them were committing apostasy. And gosh, whaddaya know?--It turns out they were! Good guess, Vatican!

Ahem. Another version is: after bankrupting several dioceses through their own blithering incompetence, the College of Bishops has just spent three years trying to figure out how to get its collective mitts on the nuns' property The nuns told them (probably--but not assuredly--in a dainty, nunlike manner) to go screw themselves. To console themselves, the bishops told the press that the sisters were bad, bad nuns.

Obviously, you can believe whichever version you like.

Lance Mannion

Molly, I like to point out, a lot of us were taught by nuns. None of us were taught by bishops.

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