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They believe that old people will be happy to vote to screw their own children and grandchildren, younger brothers and sisters out of Medicare if they are convinced that it’s the only way to save their own benefits.

Survey after survey consistently show that elderly voters do not want to touch their children's Medicare or Social Security either. Indeed, they actually rate those programs higher on "must keep" than younger people.

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>[...]the GOP-Ryan plan to balance the
>budget by breaking the back of the
>middle class doesn’t touch Medicare
>for ten years and then the changes only
>affect the newest cohort of sixty-five
>year olds!

>If you’re on Medicare now, if you’re
>going to need it within the next nine
>years, you’re fine.

Hm. Lance, how big a percentage of voters [likely or unlikely] would you figure are sufficiently high-information to get this distinction?

I'm not convinced this is primarily a bid for the ten-years-or-less cohort; in fact, I'd be slightly relieved to think that voters recognized and pursued their economic interests this directly, however short-sightedly. If it snags some GOP votes from that direction, I'm sure they'll think that's fine; but mainly I think it's a tacit recognition that many -- most? -- voters don't vote their wallets anymore, just the state of their glands. Al Swearengen called them the hoople.

I'm in a cranky mood today.

Sherri

I must defend my former home in Silicon Valley. Twentysomething libertarians may be the most prominent representatives on the net, but in Congress, Silicon Valley is represented by Democrats, and pretty good ones. Anna Eshoo was my representative when I lived there, and she still represents that district in the heart of Silicon Valley. She's pretty much the antithesis of West.

Earl Bockenfeld

The Rude-Pundit has A New Tax Pledge (Involving Grover Norquist's Balls). It seems that Grover is finally getting some well deserved press notice as the most dangerous/powerful person in America.

Let us say, and why not, that someone created an organization, one of yer fancy 501c3's, the kind of organization that could get lots of free-flowin' cash from their buddies and their corporations. And let us say, and, indeed, why not, since we are in the realm of theory, that our organization was called "Americans for Taxual Healing" or one of those idiotic names that obfuscates what we're really about. Let's say that we came up with a pledge, one that we wanted all members of Congress to sign, one that would liberate them, but one that demanded something from them.

The pledge could go something like this:

"I, _____, pledge to the taxpayers of the ____ district of the state of ______ and to the American people that I will: ONE, kick Grover Norquist in the balls whenever he is within kicking range; and TWO, freely vote my conscience on tax raises and cuts, dependent on the reality of economic circumstance, unshackled from bullshit pledges (except this one)."

Then, in this fantasy world we're concocting, whenever Grover Norquist walked up to a member of Congress to lobby them on his mad "never-ever, no-how, no-matter-what, you-better-not raise taxes" pledge, that member of Congress could say, "Sorry, Grover. Signed another pledge first," and kick him in the balls. As Norquist rolled around on the ground, holding his groin, he might at first wonder "Why? Why?" but then he would have to admit, "A pledge is a pledge."

Obviously, signing another pledge is the only way to get our leaders to do what we want. It's not like they have free will and can act of their own accord in loyalty to the Constitution and not Grover Norquist.

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