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Cass

“How do you tell the women and children of Kabul and Kandahar that after eight years we’ve decided to leave them to the mercies of the Taliban?”

I'm sure the Soviets were asking themselves the same question, but it turned out they couldn't postpone that date for eternity.

Also: http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2009/12/not-all-feminists-love-escalation-in-afghanistan.html

Dutch

Well whatever you do, absolutely do not consider even for a moment that your premise is false and it's not a mistake at all.

"War of necessity" - PBO (when made was a nice campaign soundbite to sound tough.)

I know progressives forfeited any semblance of shame for their hypocrisies, but it cracks my cuss up to hear the same people who clucked their tongues at Reagan for abandoning the Afghans after "Charlie Wilson's War" (You remember: We helped give them back their country and somehow it's our fault we didn't colonize them into a protectorate and keep them from cussing up their country again), these are now the same people shouting "Ruuuun! Run! Drop your weapons and ruuuuuuuun!"

Just as a point of curiosity... What IS worth fighting for?

And Cass, your implication that liberation forces currently being shot to Holy Cuss under ridiculous rules of engagement equate to invading Soviet forces who mowed down millions of Afghans indiscriminantly like rabbits... it's misguided at best.

Ian Welsh

“How do you tell the women and children of Kabul and Kandahar that after eight years we’ve decided to leave them to the mercies of the Taliban?”

Well, maybe you do a poll, and find out if the majority want to be left to the mercies of the Taliban, since the Taliban kill less of them than NATO and the warlords supported by NATO.

Please don't pretend we're doing this for the Afghanis own good.

piny

I respect the President's willingness to expose himself to actual soldiers. But I think that the pundits are right. This idea of respect for sacrifice only applies to a worthwhile sacrifice. Grave or cavalier, humble or vainglorious, he still has no right to ask soldiers to die without a good reason. And if that orator can't write a convincing speech about staying the course, he probably doesn't have a good reason.

If West Point cadets feel differently, that is their right--but we civilians are also implicated in their commander's decision. You also have to remember that soldiers are not asked to participate in any war. They follow orders, even mistaken ones.

The Taliban controls most of Afghanistan right now. The army displaces them to the same degree that your body displaces water as you cross a river. The problem isn't just that we have no exit strategy, but that we are not a firebrake now. We aren't really standing between the people of Afghanistan and any enemy or eventuality.

Cathie from Canada

I am no fan of Canada's involvement in Afghanistan, but I liked it that Obama finally FINALLY defined the reason why NATO and the United States are there -- to protect the interests of the United States.
Seems simple, but Bush could never define the goal for this war, and as a result the US military and everybody else have spent 8 years just fumbling around in that benighted country.
Now Obama has defined your mission so you can actually figure out when that mission has been accomplished. Now other nations, like ours, can decide whether we support that mission and for how long. Its a breath of fresh air.

actor212

it cracks my cuss up to hear the same people who clucked their tongues at Reagan for abandoning the Afghans after "Charlie Wilson's War" (You remember: We helped give them back their country and somehow it's our fault we didn't colonize them into a protectorate and keep them from cussing up their country again), these are now the same people shouting "Ruuuun! Run! Drop your weapons and ruuuuuuuun!"

There's a difference here. I'm going to put it in caps, so that even a kindergartner lcan understand me.

WE STARTED THIS FUCKING WAR, JUST LIKE THE SOVIETS DID. We did not start "Charlie Wilson's War," and had we stuck in there and provided the aid and assistance to start schools and give farmers something other than the opium you seem to be rather fond of to grow, the Taliban wouldn't have had a foothold and we wouldn't be mourning three thousand innocent Americans.

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