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Apostate

Agree that it's not about Mousavi, per se. It's about election-fraud and the people's will.

I saw on Twitter that Obama made a statement along the lines that there was precious little difference between Mousavi and his predecessor. A Twitterer retorted, of late, there's precious little difference between Obama and his predecessor.

We can't even afford to be holier than thou, with our supposedly liberal president actually to the right of the conservative President Nixon.

If anyone is curious, "na mardi" literally means "unmanly," not dishonorable.

Ken Houghton

And here I thought it was "it's not Tuesday, this is not Belgium."

What Apostate Said. No one who has watched Mousavi's history would confuse him with a real reformer. No one the least familiar with the Iranian electoral process would confuse themself that reform is possible under it.

But the right of the people, as Russell Crowe noted once, is to choose the lesser of two weevils.

They may have chosen Mousavi. They may have chosen Mousavi without a majority, but Achmen... may not even have been second. There's a remote but not credible possibility that they chose Achmen... without a majority, in such a manner that it was clear that he would lose a runoff (e.g., 37/33/30).

What does not appear to have happened is that Achmen... was elected to the Largely Ceremonial Office with a majority of the vote, as would have been required to certify his election.

As a conservative sf writer once noted, 95% of governing is making certain that the 10-20% of the people inclined to revolt are not joined by a large portion of the 30-50% who are not happy but not really willing to do anything about it. In that respect, the Iranian election as reported is clearly a failure.

John

Is it really that hard to ask that people look up how to spell Ahmadinejad before posting about him? Seriously, Ken Houghton, that's some weak stuff. "Achmen..."?

As to Tom Watson's point, Iran is not a totalitarian state. It has not been a totalitarian state since our boy, the Shah, got kicked out in 1979. It's a state with some deeply problematic aspects, and not nearly as democratic as it ought to be, but it's not totalitarian. To call Iran totalitarian is to deprive the word of all real meaning. I would say, in fact, that it is nearly impossible to be a truly totalitarian state in the modern world - only North Korea really manages it, and that's through basically completely isolating itself from the outside world.

John

We can't even afford to be holier than thou, with our supposedly liberal president actually to the right of the conservative President Nixon.

To the right in what way? What bullshit. Nixon was as right wing as he thought he could get away with.

Apostate

John, Republicans have moved much farther right in the past 30 years. In case you haven't noticed.

Nixon was a goddamn progressive compared to Obama.

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