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daveminnj

hmmm...hadn't checked in in a while...
good one, lance.

Susie from Philly

Wow. That was beautiful, Lance.

Susie from Philly

Wow. That was beautiful, Lance.

Apostate

Really terrific post. Thou art a writer.

actor212

Rocky won a moral victory.

So did Al Gore.

That kind of winning we don't need.

Bill Altreuter

I think it is a bit of an exaggeration to say that HRC "has spent her entire life in public service". There's a pretty big stretch at The Rose Firm in there, and while I'm sure she was active in a number of fine causes while she was lawyering away, that's a bit different from devoting one's life to help others. As I have said before, I like the idea of Hillary Clinton-- I just wish the reality could be different. The reality is that She Voted For the War. There are other points of principle that one might raise, but that's a big one.

isaac

barack obama on how he would have voted had he been in the senate:

"I dont know"

hillary was also getting health care to kids, setting up micro loans, helping to improve education as first lady of the state of arkansas when she was working at the rose law firm. that's a cheap shot and you know it

Susie from Philly

I have to wonder if there isn't an age divide here. Maybe voters under 30 aren't aware of all the good things Clinton did.

alwsdad

A thoughtful post, beautifully written (as usual). It's a pleasure to read a defense of Senator Clinton that doesn't find it necessary to denigrate Senator Obama (and his supporters) in the process.
Perhaps if we focused on what a tragedy a McCain presidency would be, we could get past the acrimony of the past couple months.

Chinaberry Turtle

um ... Rocky didn't lose the fight (in Rocky I). He fought to a draw and the "rules" of boxing are that a draw goes to the belt-holder (Rocky was the challenger). Obama is not a belt-holder in this fight. A draw goes to the super-delegates. Hillary's Rocky analogy is therefore perfectly apt.

Chinaberry Turtle

eh - my bad. The draw was w/ Hulk Hogan. It was a split decision w/ Apollo Creed.

Jennifer

That, in so many ways, was a wonderful post.

Dave G.

Lance:

A few points not mentioned about Rocky.

I believe the fight is significant, and going the distance is significant to Rocky. Because while he may not know (as we do) that he isn't a joke, the last conversation before he goes home to Adrian reinforces that the world sees him as a joke.

He gently corrects the promoter, Jurgens (the late, great Thayer David), about the color shorts he'll be wearing, and Jurgens says, "It really doesn't matter. We know you're going to give us a great show." And Stallone flinches at that -- damn, he's never been better in a movie, ever -- and you know that's the moment he gets it. That the world sees him as a clown. And that's why he has to go on, and prove what he has to prove, just to, as he puts it in the underrated last film, "stand toe-to-toe with someone and say, 'I am.'"

He has earlier tried to move on from these petty indignities -- Creed saying that "if he can't fight, I bet he can cook" and the spectacle of him beating on a side of beef (again, there is someone else who knows he isn't a joke - Duke, Apollo's trainer).

Great post.

Brautigan

The idea that Hillary Clinton, supporter of the Bankruptcy Bill, formerly of the Rose Law Firm, Wal-Mart BOD, College Republican, and I could go on and on and on and on, is some kind of warrior for the working class is just patently asinine.

Susie from Philly

Brautigan, do you really not know that Obama helped strip us of the right to take class-action suits to state courts, where they're more likely to win? Or that he opposed a 30% cap on credit-card interest rates? Real friend of the people, there.

Do you suppose those Wall St. firms gave him all that money because they fell in love with his starry-eyed idealism?

Susie from Philly

Brautigan, do you really not know that Obama helped strip us of the right to take class-action suits to state courts, where they're more likely to win? Or that he opposed a 30% cap on credit-card interest rates? Real friend of the people, there.

Do you suppose those Wall St. firms gave him all that money because they fell in love with his starry-eyed idealism?

SV

Dave, that early scene you mentioned sets up one of my favorite lines in the whole movie - after a few rounds and it's clear that Rocky isn't the clown they were counting on, and that if he is careful, Apollo will be the one coming out of it the clown:

"HE doesn't think it's a damn show - he thinks it's a damn FIGHT!"

actor212

The idea that Hillary Clinton, supporter of the Bankruptcy Bill, formerly of the Rose Law Firm, Wal-Mart BOD, College Republican, and I could go on and on and on and on, is some kind of warrior for the working class is just patently asinine.

The fact that ANY politician who stands a chance in winning the Presidency is viewed as a "warrior for the working class" seems asinine.

And yet, behold Bill Clinton who managed to somehow reverse decades of income inequality and provide jobs and prosperity up and down the line.

And Obama ain't half the man the Big Dog is.

Bill Altreuter

HRC's position on access to health care is also horrible-- and also difficult to excuse. It seems likely to me that she is the candidate that is the best informed on the fundamental, structural problem with the American health care system. Notwithstanding this, she is proposing a plan that fails to address the problem.

Knowing what she knows, her failure to come out and say that universal single-payer is the only answer that makes sense is utterly disingenuous. We could universalize access to health care and restore our global economic competitiveness (which ain't coming back any other way), or we can talk about insurance. She knows it, but she won't say it, and I think that's disgraceful.

LondonLee

Obama should start smoking again, that would put the "effete" nonsense to rest.

Randolph Fritz

I think this is the best article on class and the Presidential election I've seen. Thank you.

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