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"One of the more annoying creations of thirty years of Right Wing Christian temper tantrums polluting the political debate is sanctimonious atheists."

Boy have you got that right. And they all post in the "Comment is free" section of the Guardian.

Tom W.

Rheingold, the dry beer.

Geez, we had the same childhood - scary.

Mike Schilling

Amen, Brother Lance.


Funny, though, now that I don't believe in God I also think people are pretty much machines and free will is an illusion.

Really? Why would atheism lead you to think that?


"people are pretty much machines and free will is an illusion."

I agree with this bit -- people mostly follow scripts. I exclude myself from this, of course. :)

I'm one of those sanctimonious atheists, I guess, and about time too -- for centuries the religious folk have had it all their own way, and FINALLY, we get to crow a little bit without getting burnt on the stake, and they can't stand our "sanctimony."

Well, tough. It's our turn.

And uh, there's plenty of Bible-Belters who don't have the freedoms you mentioned, Lance, not to speak of all the Muslims and Hindus.

And what it does to people's sexuality is the worst crime of all. Can't deny that it's happening to kids all over America even as we speak.


I think your a bit harsh on Gervais. I didn't get the sense that he meant that he wouldn't have had "imagination, free will, love, humor, fun, music, sports, beer, and pizza", just that that was good enough reason to go on, rather than working to earn a spot in heaven. I'm an atheist but I also don't believe in the mechanized theories of the industrialized west. I tend to view existence as a game. I think all Gervais is saying is that it's a game worth playing to him.


Ah yes..."sanctimonious atheists". The 21st century update of the phrase "uppity Negro". Why don't they just crawl back out of the view of decent folk?

The so-called "left" among Christians, such as Jim Wallis and the people at National Catholic Reporter, urge an intrusion of their religion into others' homes and lives, a forthrightness and sanctimony not attained by the blackest bête noir of the anti-godless.


no wonder I find both you and Tom W attractive. I am female, so no altar boy here, but my Dad was a Mets fan and the beer he drank was only good for doing an egg and beer hair treatment once and awhile.

I go back and forth on the issue of science vs faith and basically come down to this: the highest form of worship is to use the gifts of the Creator well. Sorta like oiling the congitive engine and waxing the hood are positive signs of respect for the deal.

Ken Muldrew

Program worship;

function god(text : longint);
god(text) = historical_mention_of_supernatural_being[text];

procedure use_gifts(creator);
curiosity : gift;
historical_account : longint;
historical_account = 0;
while curiosity = unsatisfied do
if creation implies creator then
historical_account = historical_account + 1;
let creator = god(historical_account);



Personally I'm hoping for a sactimonius stack overflow.

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