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blue girl

Totally observing the obviously negative usage of the phrase too clever by half...

Elayne Riggs

Great essay, Lance. I love the Hope/Crosby comparison! I'll have to give your open question some thought. My most loathed category of ads right now is "Assholes Use Our Product," which message rather belies the one I suspect the "too clever by half" makers of those ads are trying to convey about how cool and fun the product is.

Exiled in New Jersey

Great comparison, Lance. I always thought the MAC guy symbolized those true believers back before Jobs returned and restored the product to its pre-eminence. In those days, we called them MacInSnobs. I think there is something too of Hawkeye Pierce about him, but for such an example there is no one to place in the position of the PC Guy.

Ads that make me flip the channel now? Any Coors Light commercial.

drat fink

i disliked those hummer ads where someone gets bullied in some fashion and goes out to buy a hummer to prove their toughness. do you really want to tell your customers that they are wimps and need this symbol of virility to instill a false sense of confidence?

at the moment i like those creepy lebron james as many different people ads, but that wont endear the swoosh to me. im a three stripe man myself.

as for hope-crosby, how about the odd couple? or cary grant and ralph bellamy in the awful truth and his gal friday? bellamy also takes it from fernand gravey in a carole lombard film fools for scandal.

ok, its true, i watch to much turner classic movies.

and as long as im here talking tv, you should check out the minor accomplishments of jackie woodman on ifc. light years better than 30 rock as sitcoms go.

blue girl

The MAC/PC guy commercials sort of remind me of the Holiday Inn Express commercials with the three business guys. They're not quite right for some reason, but I do like this one ... The Unicycle.

Jennifer

I have to agree with the hummer ads. I couldn't believe they came right out and said how shallow and spineless their customers were!

Almost any car commercial makes me not want that specific car.

charlie

umm, lance, one of your weaker essays. I am quite sure that neither the Mac guy or the PC guy are having sex off camera. It is entirely possible that the Mac guy has never gotten laid. Then again, I lost the most gorgeous blossom of a girl to a 5' 5" version of Justin Long, so I may be biased.

I won't make any shamless plugs here, but part of the analysis needs to be something that came out this summer -- the fake Wifi hack against Macs -- where it was very clear that many computer users wawnted to stick a cigarette in Justin Long's smug litle eyes. A big deal in the computer security world, a minor deal in the real world, but one that Apple PR and marketing was very, very aware of.

And where are the fireworks for Studio 60 renewals....

Susan

Bob/Jerry and Bing/Dean:

Movie - The Philadelphia Story, Macauley "Mike" Connor and C.K. Dexter Haven

TV - Perfect Strangers, Larry Appleton and Balki Bartokomous

Tom Bozzo

I think identifying with PC Guy is a feature, and not a bug, of the ads. See, e.g., "Counselor" (where PC Guy disparaging creative applications on the Mac is a slightly off note, though the punch line is great). Self-parody is an admissible advertising technique when the message of the ads goes beyond "Buy this PC! It's just $399!!!11!" Even given that, "annoying twit" is still not a good impression to convey. But I think Seth Stevenson took the campaign a little too personally or something.

My nomination for "too clever by half" (negative connotation) would be an underwriting message for McDonald's that appeared (and may still appear) before Sesame Street when my four-year-old was at the Sesame Street maximum a couple years ago. Obviously, this was meant to hawk McDonald's to a vulnerable audience without arousing excessive ire from PBS-contributing parents. The result was far too sub rosa for him, and he still can take or leave commercial fast food.

And while the ads for the Lexus Christmastime sales promotions almost make me want to key the paint on my own car (I want to think of myself as the guy commuting by bike well into the Wisconsin fall, not a smug upper-middle-class McMansionite, however perfect their kitchen cabinetry might be), I've heard much sentiment to the effect that the ad showing the LS 460's self-parking system is really cool, if only for the novelty of the product being demonstrated.

blue girl

Mr. Bozzo,

My nomination for "too clever by half" (negative connotation)

The way you wrote that leads me to believe you think there might also be a positive connotation when someone uses that phrase.

Is there?

Jennifer

BG- I'm sorry, but I'm still one of those who thinks "too clever by half" is negative and associate it with someone thinking they are too hip for the room...

Why is my Swiss Cheese memory now flashing back on this leading to whether sarcasm can be affectionate/romantic??? I fall into that camp as well. I don't know many women who don't like multiple sarcasms if delivered by the right person. :)

Tom Bozzo

BG - um, actually, no. I was being too clever by half there.

Though as such idioms go, I think someone *could* turn around for an ironic reversal of the ironic reversal of its literal meaning -- and take off the "by half" and I have heard "too clever" used in speech to mean "very clever" without the negative connotation. But that was not the case with my previous comment.

Tom Bozzo

Urk, make that "turn it ['too clever by half'] around."

blue girl

Thanks, Mr. Bozzo.

I just can't "hear" how that phrase could be used in a positive sense. And Jennifer, you're right. Someone said that it could be used affectionately. I think it's still negative. I mean, you could say all kinds of things to someone, getting a dig in and then when they call you on it, you could say...I was saying it affectionately!

Like...

You're a complete idiot!

What?!!

Oh, come now. I was just saying that affectionately! You know I don't think you're a *complete* one!

Jennifer

HEY!!!! BG!!! Were you just calling me an IDIOT??? :(

I see your point, but I believe there has to be a BIG level of trust for someone to do it affectionately... You can call someone on being an idiot about something and still love that they are an idiot about something. At least that's what I think... but then again... you called me an idiot. Were you being affectionate? :)

Jennifer

Hey Lance- Not to go OT, but I am SO glad that your ad picturing Santorum is GONE! Every time I would click over and see him it took a second to wonder if I hadn't accidentally gone to Pammy at Atlas's instead.

blue girl

...but then again... you called me an idiot.

Nuh, uh. I did not. I think it might have been Pinko Punko who said the whole affectionate thing. Or Res. I don't know -- don't remember and can't find my old post on my blog. Because I was too clever by half or a complete idiot when I made up my category names.

I've got posts about Bush in my Recipes category. Because I was probably thinking at the time...Yeah. What a recipe for disaster!

:)

Jennifer

Was Bush under the vegetable category?

blue girl

Oh man. Don't give me the idea to put categories within categories ... cuz I'll think ... what a great idea! and then my blog will explode! You don't think it makes any kind of sense now? Just wait.

:)

M.A. Peel

I'm so tickled by the Hope/Crosby reference. I'm a huge Crosby fan, which, in my generation, is a very lonely thing to be. There's no doubt Crosby would have been an actual Mac guy, given his interest in technology that led to the development of radio recording.

DuWayne

O.k. So I tried the "your a complete idiot" runthrough with my roomie and his boyfriend - they think I'm a bully now, even though I explained I was just being affectionate, as per your line. Honestly, I kind of feel like a bully now. . .

sfmike

Boy, this thread exploded. The Mac vs. PC guy ads are interesting. Justin Long looks like he just got out of bed with someone and his dick is still half-hard while the PC guy looks like he's all sweaty and anticipatory but the sex is just not going to happen.

Which is the classic Crosby/Hope, Don Giovanni/Leporello, cool/non-cool stock figures two-guys archetype, and it happens a lot in Real Life.

The fact that real geeks HATED this commercial goes right to Lance's point, that the archetype has shifted. And "Galaxy Quest" is not only the one great "Star Trek" movie, it's the one great Tim Allen movie besides.

Lance

SFMike, perfect description, and thanks for the opera reference. This is one highbrow blog, I'm telling ya.

MA Peel, Bing is a family tradition in the Mannion clan. My grandfather passed his love of Bing to my father who passed it down to me and now the teenager is a Bing fan.

NJ, Hawkeye would have been the Dean/Bing/Don Giovanni character on MASH if there'd been a character to take on the role of Young Lover or Bob Hope. Sometimes Radar was the Young Lover but in those few episodes Hawkeye either faded to the background or became more of big brother than a rival. Frank Burns sometimes seemed to want to be Hope to Hawkeye's Bing. There was always a part of Frank that wanted to rebel against his own superego. I think one of the things that made MASH more of a drama than a comedy was that the writing and acting rarely traded on stock characters or stock situations.

Lance

Oh, one more thing.

sfmike: "Galaxy Quest" is not only the one great "Star Trek" movie, it's the one great Tim Allen movie besides.

Mike, I beg differ. Allen has two great movies under his belt. Don't forget Toy Story 2.

mac macgillicuddy

I always kind of liked the PC guy and, truth be told, I wanted to punch the Mac guy in the mouth. He's not cool; he's condescending.

But as for the ads, any Levitra or Viagra ad. Levitra and Viagra sort of have that Mac guy attitude vs Cialis, which seems more willing to admit to me that I have the problem I think I have.

Anne Laurie

Most car commercials set the standards for Sucky Advertising, but Volkswagen's had some great ads. The first time I saw the Hummer ad which unselfconsciously advises those bullied by the universe to find their bliss in an overpriced bus, the VERY NEXT AD was the one with the Brand-over-Sanity buyers hanging out of their tinted power windows shouting things like 'My father never loved me!' and 'I'm overcompensating for my body issues!' Tagline: "Volkswagen, if you don't *need* to broadcast." I laughed so hard I scared the cat off my lap!

KathyF

I'm just pissed that there are no Mac Girl commercials.

I'm also pissed that I don't have cleavage, but that's for another story.

gkru

Gee, all this time I thought PC Guy was supposed to be Bill Gates. Talk about separated at birth!

roxtar

Re: Mash

Looking at it through the Hope/Crosby lens, Hawkeye IS Hope, but cast in the role of Top Banana. BJ Hunnicutt is Crosby, but playing the role of foil. It's Hope and Crosby in Bizzaro World. See also, Seinfeld/Costanza

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