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Jennifer

"boobs who believe that the world was created in seven days" and they would be even bigger boobs because any regular boob knows it was created in 6 with the creation of vacation happening on the 7th... I'm just sayin' :)

Now, back to the rest of your post.

Jennifer

Excellent post. Education should be liberalizing and liberating.

This caught my attention: "the real reason they like the No Child Left Behind Act is that it takes educating children out of the hands of teachers and puts it in the hands of the writers of standardized tests who are, the Right hopes and is working to ensure, appointed by Right Wing politicians in touch with America..."

I have not heard one of my children's teachers speak well of NCLB. They say they feel hamstrung. They are not given the proper money or tools to teach and yet they are penalized and held responsible if they do not succeed.

Elana

Thanks for the link Lance! That Hikock op-ed was something else. The standardized tests will be the death of all humanities education if you ask me. If you teach kids there is only one right answer to literary interpretation you are just plain wrong.

Savage Tan

Generally agree. However, there's damn good music coming out of Nashville. Better than LA/NYC.

And football is pretty damn important! NASCAR does suck, though.

Kevin Wolf

I remember having a couple of idiots for teachers when I was growing up, but nobody accused the whole system of giving bad teachers cover, or that one bad teacher was destroying "America's future, its children."

That's what the right does: they find the one or two truly wacky left wing professors and make the accussation that this is how far America's educational system has fallen.

It's just extremist button pushing that has everything to do with idealogy and nothing to do with educating children and young adults.

TC

Ties in with the meme you hear from the Right occasionally, that liberals are doomed because we don't breed enough...

They'd like to believe that political and social orientation is a genetic feature; and if they can eliminate the exposure to the wider world that occurs at college, it will effectively prevent Junior from being able to leave the nest.

You can see it in the home-schooling movement, and the Liberty college types- don't let the kids have anything approaching a wide spectrum of input, it helps to keep 'em down on the farm.

jahf

I have not heard one of my children's teachers speak well of NCLB. They say they feel hamstrung. They are not given the proper money or tools to teach and yet they are penalized and held responsible if they do not succeed.

In other words, NCLB is a complete success.

Gentlewoman

For some reason people just aren't inclined to vote for the candidate who insults them.

I highly recommend that you read Buried for Pleasure by Edmund Crispin, in which his hero, Oxford don Gervase Fen runs for Parliament and does precisely that, at great length, and very amusingly. And wins the election.

Spike

Then why not set up an educational system out of reach of the claws of right wing government?

mikefromtexas

And to think some people thought 'Forrest Gump' was fiction. Looks more and more like a prediction these days.

Fred

Hell, after reading that, I'd vote for ya...

Anne Laurie

Well, HOUSE is on Fox TV -- anything that keeps Hugh Laurie working has to qualify as a good thing, irregardless.

But, to be serious, hasn't there always been a schism between the people who want their children to be educated -- to be introduced to the variety of life and thought which upholds civilization -- and those who just want their offspring baby-sat until they're mature enough to take their appointed place in the social order? I seem to remember that Socrates was sentenced to death for failing to uphold his educational contract with the cream of Athenian democracy. And as soon as the learning institutions now called "universities" emerged during the Middle Ages, both outraged parents and local worthies immediately started complaining that the young scholars were not learning anything Useful -- they were either being subsidized in Carnality 101, or were pursuing unclean esotericisms, to the severe risk of their immortal souls and their parents' purses. (You'd think the little monsters would have had to chose one or the other, to be slackers or to be radicals, but adolescents have more energy than us aged 24-hour-day people, I guess.)

Which is not to say that the current Proud-to-Know-Nothings like Hickok aren't dangerous. But they shouldn't be feared as a new invention, just as another recrudescence of a very old and dishonorable human failing.

Kate Marie

Bonnie Annie Laurie, where, exactly, does the editorial champion know-nothingism? In fact, doesn't it do the opposite? [Hope you don't mind my having given you a nickname . . . it's a beautiful name and a beautiful tune.]

And to Mike from Texas . . . I'm as much a scoffer at the *movie* Forrest Gump as the next guy, but what's wrong with the *character* Forrest Gump? I mean, his famous dictum -- "stupid is as stupid does" -- is essentially correct, isn't it? And anyway, Forrest Gump may be "stupid," but he's not anti-intellectual . . .

I think discussions like this veer too easily into "heh, heh, Republicans are stupid" territory, especially when there's so much uniformity of opinion on the matter. At the risk of sounding really preachy, I'll suggest that intellectual superiority is not synonymous with moral superiority . . . and that Lance's beef is not with stupidity but with anti-intellectualism. Whether Right-wingers or "mainstream Americans" have a corner on that particular trait -- or on its second cousin, pseudo-intellectualism -- is another matter entirely.

As for getting kids to "think critically" or "think for themselves," my humble opinion is that schools (elementary, high school, and university) rarely do that, and those who suggest that it's the highest purpose of every class, aren't really "thinking critically." This post at Michael Drout's blog sums it up nicely:

http://wormtalk.blogspot.com/2006/04/critical-thinking-what-piece-of-cant.html

jillbryant

This reminds me of something Tucker Carlson said on his show: "I learned more, you know, working at a gas station than I did in college. I hate to admit that." He also said "Why don‘t we take 80 percent of college students who don‘t really want to be in college in the first place, except to party, and send them on fully paid apprenticeships where they could learn something useful? I wish I had done that." This from the son of a former U.S. Ambassador whose stepmother is an heiress to the Swanson frozen-food fortune. They forced some prestigious schooling down his throat instead of that apprenticeship at DeVry Institute that he really wanted. But he clawed his way to the top, nonetheless.

Why don't we stop 80% of those others from getting those degrees which are fast becoming a class issue in America? And, yes, we certainly don't want to expose them to a unrestricted education which might teach them traditional values have nothing to do with shopping being patriotic or wealth equaling morality.

Spike

Hmm -

1. Government education system: Run by bureaucrats far removed from control by local citizens. Easily taken over by the current dogmatists to manipulate to their own ends.

2. Private schools: Dance to the tune of those paying the money. All parents who think a certain way can send their kids to the school that provides the education they want.

I choose 2, because I know that the private schools my kids go to will never, ever "teach the controversy."

In a competitive world, I don't mind if most parents send their kids to the government babysitter - public school - or to elite, know-nothing snob academies, either way, I know my kids will be much more educated and better people all around from the education they get at the private schools I have found.

Government schools can be a good thing, if parents are involved and augment (and sometimes counter) the teaching of NEA members with field trips and critical discussion of ideas. It's really up to the parents what kind of education the kids get until about age 16, then it's really up to the kids.

jillbryant

"Teach the controversy?"

Spike

jillbryant -

Are you asking what "Teach the controversy" means? If so, it is the code term that some segments of the religious right are using to try to get Biblical creationism taught as an "alternative" to the science of evolution.

It came about after the defeat of "Intelligent Design" as a previous idea (and the defeat of "Scientific Creationism" before that).

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