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Kirk and McCoy met up when Kirk needed to have his first dose of the clap taken care of off the records

Buddy, that is solid gold.


How could they possibly find actors to play those roles? Nimoy and Shatner are those roles, any other actors, even if they are far better then shatner( not exactly a tall order) would just not feel right. It would take the whole movie just to get used to them and , god forbid, they didn't fit right the whole project would crash and burn. But it would be fun to see the kind of actor they got to do Kirk.
Wanted: Major ham with no self-consciousness. Odd speech patterns and galactic sized ego a plus.

Criminy. To get the youth market they would probably get owen wilson to be kirk.

So my question is, who could play those roles?

Oh and why not just try to make a good TNG movie.


I'm not a big Trek fan, although I did run into Lt. Uhura when she was performing at the Officers Club at Travis AFB in California in 1968 (singing, I suppose; I doubt if there were a lot of Trekkies in the AF Officer Corps at that time, at least not ones willing just to hear her tell stories about the show).

But I agree with g that no other actors could play Spock/Kirk. Heck, I stopped watching Bond after Connery quit. On the other hand, Abrams finds actors in odd ways. He originally wanted the Korean actress in "Lost" to play the part Evangeline Lilly got. One of the other actors showed up for a casting call and Abrams wrote him into the story. Granted "Lost" was an ensemble cast in its formative stage, unlike Star Trek, but Abrams might surprise people.

blue girl

I'd probably go see it if Owen Wilson plays Kirk.


...which one's Kirk again? Kidding!


Maybe Heath and Jake can become a screen couple again and do the honors... "I wish I could quit you, Spock!"


I'd watch it if you were writing it, anyway.

Only one thing. "Assuming McCoy's practice was near the Academy, wherever that's supposed to be..."

The Academy is in San Francisco, specifically in the Presidio. And the Golden Gate Bridge is still standing. This is true both in TNG and in the movies, though TOS never mentions it.


As OutKast once lyricized: "Drip, drip, drop, there goes a nerdgasm."


Argh. Now I want to see it too.

The Lance Mannion version, that is.


As your post illustrates, the Trek franchise has so much baggage that it's almost impossible to do another series, especially with different actors, without alienating portions of the audience. Shatner and Nimoy are Kirk and Spock, and it'd be hard to see anyone else in the role.

Personally, I'd reboot the entire concept and start over again from scratch. Put characters called Kirk and Spock in it, but make it clear that the series is completely new and the actions of the characters won't necessarily feed into something established in the 1966-2005 continuity.

mac macgillicuddy

Anyone who has happened to catch the webcast "New Voyages" series knows that it's not just irritating watching someone else (Elvis hair anyone?) play Kirk and Spock, it's downright embarrassing.

Anyway, what I wanted to say is that I've always thought that whenever a long-running series (in this case, franchise) resorts to the "When Harry Met Sally..." episode, then it is clear that it has truly run its course.

At least the point of WHMS was that when you decide to spend the rest of your life with someone, you want the rest of your life to begin as soon as possible. In so many other cases, we've seen enough of the rest of their lives to know that the beginning doesn't matter.


Kirk need not necessarily be ignorant of Carol's pregnancy; in STII, the dialogue makes clear that he knows exactly who David is. (Shocked when David tells him "I'm Dr. Marcus!", Kirk turns to Carol and says, "Is that David?" And a little while later, when Kirk and Carol are alone, Kirk says: "I did what you wanted. I stayed away."

Your version sounds kind of interesting -- and part of it already exists as a novel that came out back in the 80s, called something like "Enterprise: The First Adventure".


I'm thinking there is no way I can out geek Lance Mannion on Star Trek-ness.

I feel so inadequate now.

a rose is a rose

dearest mr manion,

i believe i have fallen in love with you


You forgot the point of the second pilot, Mr. Mannion: Bringing Kirk and Spock together, by TPTB getting Gary Mitchell out of the way.

No, no, he didn't do it intentionally -- but it was really one huge deus ex-machina working out at the edge of the galaxy, taking away Kirk's best friend once he got a taste of god inside him. It was very clear in that episode that if Spock wasn't absolutely right in his judgement about Mitchell, Kirk would have embarrassed himself by slugging him.

Kirk and Spock respected each other, but weren't friends; by episode's end, they came together by way of mourning.

And, yes: I am Geek... Hear me roar.

Dave MB

["O'Brian split Hornblower in two to make Aubrey and Maturin, was he aware
of Kirk-Spock"?]

There are similarities among these characters, and then there are direct
influences, and you have to be careful not to confuse them.

Roddenberry explicitly mentioned Hornblower as a model for Kirk. But the
way Shatner took the character was less Hornblower-like, more the traditional
action hero. Picard is much more of the Hornblower type -- you could view
the first season of TNG as establishing the superiority of the Picard/Hornblower
captain over the Kirk/Riker type.

There is controversy over the amount of influence Hornblower had on the
Aubrey-Maturin stories. Probably a good first approximation is "none", but
there is some evidence that O'Brian at least read Hornblower. Both Forester and
O'Brian were deeply immersed in the primary literature of the real Napoleonic-
era Royal Navy, which I think is adequate to explain most of the similarities
between their works. Nikolai Tolstoy's biography of O'Brian argues that Maturin
is a greatly autobiographcal character, and suggests that Aubrey was based on
a retired officer O'Brian knew in Wales in the 1940's.

It is unlikely that _Star Trek_ had any influence at all on O'Brian, because the
latter lived in rural France, with little contact with any popular electronic culture,
from 1950 or so until he became famous late in his life. I agree that you can
think of Aubrey as a Kirk, and Maturin as a Spock-McCoy composite, but these
are literary analogies without any causal basis.

Your points about Kirk and Spock are well taken.

Mr. Shakes

Very intersting. I agree with Dave MB that it is unlikely O'Brian was influenced by Star Trek, and for the same reasons. Although I have been holding off on reading Tolstoy's biography of him until I am done with the series (only 70 pages of the last complete novel - Blue at The Mizzen - is left to me :-s), it does seem as though O'Brain's particular brand of geekiness lay more in the musty records of the Admiralty's basement than on his sofa in front of the tube (he was still laying down his novels with a typewriter in 2000). Though I suspect that had he ever caught an episode he probably would have enjoyed it a great deal.

Characters such as Aubrey, Maturin, Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Frodo, Sam and Hornblower do seem to crop up a great deal, and all are patterned after literary stereotypes that stretch back to Homer's Odyssey. The most noticable commonalities between them are that they are exclusively male, are involved in a journey that traverses philosophy as well as geography and are distracted from said journey by the interference of women - who often take the form of mysterious, powerful and terrifying feminine symbols such as the Sirens or Shelob (the imagery of Sting and the Spider's abdomen? And from a devout Catholic, too - for shame!).

It is a compelling cocktail, especially to men, and I think that it encapsulates the secret dreams and fears that reside within many of us. Having plotted a lonely course during previous stages of my life I know that it is a dream that is undoubtedly more enjoyable in the imagination than it is in reality. However, it makes for some damn fine storytelling nonetheless.

Before leaving I should note that Thelma and Louise was a very cool inversion of the format. So perhaps the dream isn't as exclusive to men as it may seem!

Phoenician in a time of Romans

Before the scene where Spock reports to his new captain on the Enterprise, there has to be a scene where kindly young Doc McCoy tells Carol that the rabbit died.

My God - he really *is* a simple country doctor.

Slender Sail

Mr Shakes - I find your comment on the literary stereotype interesting. I have been studying the matter for years, if somewhat empirically. The issue of "the journey which traverses philosophy" involves the concept of a "soulmate", the Adam&Eve factor. The reason why the pairs are male could be because of their bonded duties to their own time (they must be heroes, leaders, etc).

I can assure you I am female, yet the 'male dream' you mention greatly appeals to me as well. I'm sure you are familiar with slash fiction, which is rather exclusively women's fiction; yet I have wondered how men perceived such pairings. I do not believe it is something to do with "secret fears" as you call them - or if it did, it would not be a healthy preoccupation. Things which encapsulate secret fears are nothing more than addictions. However, I have found the opposite of it to be true: sensitivity to such a pairing (be it to their 'platonic' friendship) involves a person's transcending of their own boundaries and taking that journey across philosophy, as well. In other words, by corroborating the evidence, it gives people access to the existence of their own soulmate. All other details are incidental, and are not so much patterned after male/female factors (gay or straight), but after "inside" and "outside", forces of unity versus forces of dismemberment, good/evil, etc - all ways to discern that the primary relationship withstands all (even death).

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