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Nance

To be sure, there are those -- and Amy is one of them -- who argue it doesn't matter if Terri can recover or not, who aren't pushing the miracle myth, who see her as a severely disabled person who deserves food and water at the least. I can respect those folks. I only wish they'd point out that this happens every single day in this country, not just in Florida.

But that's not really my point. I was struck by what you said about the idiot priest. As you know, I tried to fan the dying embers of faith in my soul when my daughter was born, figuring church would do her good at some level. Unfortunately, at some point I ran across a parish run by a young conservative, who gave the most simple-minded homilies I have ever heard. He brought up birth control every week, at one point comparing it to "a drug you could take that would stop your heart." He mentioned the apparitions of Fatima, or whatever it was -- the visions that supposedly predicted Nazism and that guy shooting the Pope. He even ranted about people who wouldn't take their shopping carts back to the cart corral at the supermarket parking lot. I finally did what you did -- got up to stretch my legs. Only I took my kid with me and never went back.

Is this supposed to inspire people? Marian visions and Jesus on a tortilla? I was embarrassed to be in the same room with him.

pareader

Amen and Amen and Amen.

Susie from Philly

Lance, that cartoon is by Scott Bateman, not me. But I'm glad you liked it.

harry near indy

prof. mannion, well put.

Lance

Susie, thanks for pointing that out. I made the correction.

mac macgillicuddy

(The priest didn't mention that other scientists have since examined the Shoud and concluded it's a fake.)

I know this isn't the point, but you need to update your sources on the Shroud. It's been determined that the carbon-14 dating done back in 80s may have been done on a patch in the shroud, not on the original shroud material.

The shroud has been through fire and flood in its long life, and has many patches. But it also has something else -- a confounding image of two sides of a crucified man that would be difficult to fake in the 21st century, let alone the 12th.

Here's a link that has some interesting stuff:
http://www.shroud.com/78exam.htm


I'm not soapboxing for or against the shroud, but I do think it's worth noting the update and the fact that there remains room for reasonable doubt.

That other story, along with those snack food things -- they sound more like something first published by The Onion.

Cate

Karen Quinlan's parents, after an almost equally long time, eventually accepted the fact that their daughter was not experiencing any enjoyment of life (and quite possibly, the opposite) and would never improve. An understandable parental hesitance to let go, perhaps abhorrence at even the thought of giving up, eventually gave way to scientific knowledge of the day, to wit, quiet, contemporary reason. Dealing with the ultimate heartbreak of losing a child is rough enough. If you combine this with a call to any other parental instinct, such as here the Schindler's belief that they are their daughter's sole protector against a man they blame in part for Terri's current condition, it becomes easier to understand why they won't give up. They have never had a chance to grieve. They have been in a defensive posture for so long, they know no other. This is, at its base Homo Sapien Sapien level, about human nature, not faith. To allow this situation to be characterized in moral, ethical, scientific, and religious terms without first understanding that no matter what era, country, or planet we are on, the father would square off against the interloper to protect his brood, cedes ground to the circus. I guess what I am trying to say is that if I did not have an opportunity to grieve because my energies were completely focused on the front line, I would never hesitate to embrace any circus to win the war. Once you understand that about me, i.e., my intense level of desparation, you may be more skeptical of my methods and my armaments.

AT

I wonder if, before becoming incapacitated, Terri Schiavo had been a doctor or nurse who worked at an abortion-providing clinic, would any of these people want to save her now?

Lance Mannion

AT, Well, certainly Jesse Jackson would.

There's an old episode of Law and Order in which Lennie and Ed are invetigating the murder of a doctor who worked an abortion clinic. They're interviewing people active in the Right to Life movement are stunned to come across a couple of liberals who have spent their lives protesting the bomb, the death penalty, the War in Vietnam, aid to the Contras, and the Gulf War. "We're pro-life," they explain, simply.

I think a lot of people outside that hospice are genuinely pro-life and I wouldn't be surprised if many of them are on other issues on the Liberal side of the argument.

Their sincerity shouldn't be questioned, but their actual knowledge of the medical facts of Terri's condition should be. There are a lot of people who just do not understand what is going on inside her body. No wonder. The media is busy treating this like a movie of the week in which at the end Terri will miraculously recover.

There are mean spirits on both sides. I've read comments on a bunch of blogs this morning by people who are cheering the fact that Jerry Falwell may be dying.

The difference between the Left and the Right right now is that their mean spirits are running the show.

Cate's comment above I think strikes just the right note. The Schindlers are trying to save their daughter and doing whatever they can to do it. They're desperate and flailing. But a lot of people sympathize with them.

Aunt Deb

I don't know if people sympathize with the Schindlers or with "the cause". For example: here in Delaware, the Sussex County council passed a resolution "in support" of the Schindlers. Now, what can this possibly mean? There are a number of rather vital matters which need to be addressed in Sussex County and only the county council can address them; nevertheless, the council took the time to think up, discuss, and vote on this resolution. Is this "sympathy" or something simply pathological?

And it isn't just Catholic priests who are using this poor woman's plight. The Presbyterian minister here in my town gave an Easter sermon which included a comparison of Terri to Jesus.

mac macgillicuddy

Hmm, what would Jesus unplug?

drew

More about Randall Terry at Scamboogah

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