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Kevin Hayden

A lot of interesting stuff here, Lance. I lean towards discussing both Rodger and the NRA in separate posts, as there's a wealth of info to discuss with each.

And I have a polite disagreement here. I feel that Rodgers' violence would not have been prevented by gun control, despite my support for gun control.

I think sometimes it's unfair to cast the blame in any direction beyond the perp. In this case, I do think poor work by mental health professionals (who assessed him as not dangerous, per news reports) played a significant role. But even if they assessed him correctly, did a way exist to get him to a secure facility?

Kevin Wolf

It's sad and infuriating that it's come to this, primarily thanks to the NRA.


You've read my blogpost on this very topic I'm sure, Lance, so you know I agree with you.


His parents gave him access to the finest mental health professionals you can imagine. It did no good. He had every advantage possible in his life, and yet he still managed to create one gaping hole in his soul.

Yes. I primarily blame the NRA's culture of "The Gun". They ought to be held accountable for the ease of access which this lunatic, along with every other lunatic, can obtain a gun license.

But there's a far deeper structural issue in society, and that's the politics of gender empowerment. I get into it more over at SLB, but to sum up, it doesn't matter if it's a patriarchy or a matriarchy -- #yesallwomen AND #yesallmen -- someone is going to feel a sense of entitlement and resent it when that sense of entitlement doesn't play out.

And we have got to find a way to change that.

Doug K

Oddly there is an exact date for the death of the sane NRA: 1977 saw the conservative hunter/environmentalist wing of the NRA purged, and replaced with right-wing-nuts. History of the Cincinnati Revolt here,
An old friend of mine who used to be a NRA member, told me about this..

Have you read Felix Gilman, The Half-Made World ?
There are warring factions of the Line and the Gun, the prophets of the Gun are driven by insane daemons living in a fantasy world, just like the NRA members here in the US..


In your follow up post: Rodger not Goddard.

Lance Mannion

Ruviana, I don't know how I goofed like that! Thanks for the catch! All fixed.

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