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Gary Farber

"...but I think that even more overtly than the coming of Superman was a subtext of The Dark Knight...."

This would certainly be an entirely reasonable and insightful view, but it isn't compatible with that of the author, as David Goyer has stated numerous times that his Batman's exists in a universe with no other costumed heroes.

This is why the origin story switches the family outing from viewing _Zorro_ at the movie theater to the opera; in Goyer's Batman's universe, Zorro doesn't exist.

Gary Farber

"Besides Tony Stark, there’s Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, and, nerdiest of them all, Peter Parker."

Reed Richards' and his three companions' powers originate, of course, in his screw-up, pretty much any way the tale is told, in not providing for sufficient shielding from cosmic rays, which didn't work out so well for Benjy Grimm.

Peter's and Bruce's powers are both from what are essentially accidents: getting bitten by a loose spider, and unintentionally getting in the way of a gamma bomb.

They're all brainy characters, but that's not the same as getting their powers from their brains. Peter invented his web-shooters (not, of course, in his movie incarnation, but, really, their idea that that was one incident too many is utterly defensible and sane), and Stark is purely his own invention, but Reed Richards is a bifurcated hero, consisting of both Super-Brainy-Guy, and Stretchy Guy, who have as little to do with each other in essence as Plastic Man and Lex Luthor do.

El Jefe

Gary,

Good points all, especially to note Goyer's point of departure -- it's interesting to see the dynamic between creative vision and consent when you choose to work with an established imagined community (whatever kind -- nations, faiths, athletic tribes, comic-book worlds.) Batman alone does do very particular things to what's possible for Bruce Wayne and Gotham alike -- what happens when your only foils are all too bad instead of too good? And wrt Amygdala can I say "Gertrude Stein: Beyond Thunderdome" needs no context whatever to be awesome.

Lance,

Wow, boss -- I'm very glad and slightly embarrassed you liked the idea. Definitely lead with Pierce, he's certainly my favorite screed-writer even when he seems off the mark and a beautiful sports prosodist. There are a bunch of titles, yes, from different hands and POVs, but think of that as the sausage-making of myth. Great review. Not at all surprised Cap was your favorite, it kind of emanates from the blog :-) Have you read "Marvel 1602" ? "Rohjaz" has a nice bit in that, that was Neil Gaiman's hat-tip foreshadowing for his buddies then at work on CW.

KC45s

Let's give Peter Parker a little credit in the nerd wars. He did make a (semi-) living from a pretty hip photographer's gig and, his outbursts of "What gives?" aside, you get the idea he's with it enough to understand some pop culture references. Whereas I doubt Reed Richards realized the Beatles happened. (Or Oprah, if he's been ret-conned lately.)

Elayne Riggs

Your readers don't only include a famous comic book writer/artist, but the wife of a solid B-list comic book artist. :)

Great review. Makes me actually want to see the two Iron Man movies. (With Robin between jobs for way too long now, we haven't gone out a lot.)

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