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minstrel hussain boy

one of the things that always grabbed me about star trek, and spock in particular, was the way he was forced to deal with that duality. 1/2 human, 1/2 vulcan.

it was exactly the issue that i've dealt with my entire life. many times spock had to deal with the whole thing of being assigned the attributes of the half heritage he was not with at the moment.

spock, among vulcans, is at his most human. among humans, he is at his most vulcan.

it works the same way with me to this very day. when i am in the mood to feel very indian, i hang out in california. to feel like a white boy, all i have to do is go back to my arizona rez.

actor212

I liked the movie and in particular what you bring to bear here, Lance: not so much the characters themselves but how the interactions play out (granted this was the first movie and they had to make a choice, but it would have been nice to see more McCoy/Spock stuff. That's Kirk's id/superego conflict in the series).

Niggling points: not enough was done with Scotty. For example, Pegg probably should have been drunk when first we meet him (trying not to spoil it). The reboot of history allowed for a whole new series (ohgod) to be made, but it also raises about a billion questions with respect to what Kirk becomes, since indeed it is his life that is most changed by a certain other character who shall remain nameless.

You'd think there would be just the slightest bit of resentment at that.

I thought the portrayals of our beloved heroes was pretty much spot on, plus a little extra thrown in, without being cloying (see: Lost In Space, The Movie). Karl Urban as McCoy was about as direct a hit as the movie had, altho Zack Quinto came close as well.

I couldn't understand why Kirk seemed so different from Shatner's Kirk until...well, you know why.

As to Spock's ego...I don't think he ever really gets over it. If he does, I can pick two moments far into the future when he might: after his rebirth at Genesis or more likely, on ST:TNG when he is tasked with fomenting a rebellion on Romulus (and lays the groundwork for this movie, not ironically).

Winnie

Great analysis Lance...yeah one thing I really like about the movie is how unashamedly elitist it is; everyone on board the Enterprise has to be really talented and really worked themselves hard to get on that ship. And yes, Spock and Kirk *do* have a lot more in common than either one can admit to themselves; they're both brilliant, ambitious, neither one likes to lose, and they both feel like misfits to a certain extent. To my mind, as someone with Asperger's Spock feels like a perfect cinematic representation of that; even down to seeing scenes of him being bullied as a child. It's going to be fun to see the two of them grow in their friendship in future films as being really good for BOTH of them.

vjs

Best non-review review I've read so far. Looking forward to the real deal.

Kevin Wolf

I enjoyed the movie though I'm less happy with the new Kirk than most. Why, I can't exactly put my finger on. Still, I was happy to see what they came up with.

I'm wondering if you've seen Anthony Lane's review in the latest New Yorker. It's plain from word one that he isn't a fan of the franchise (I'd go so far as to say he shows disdain for the whole thing), so why he got the assignment to begin with is beyond me.

Rana

Kevin, I share your - dislike is too strong a word? - regarding the new Kirk. I think my beef is that, unlike the other characters, he is too dated. He's a typical 2000s male action hero - virtually indestructible (despite some surface bruising) and lots of aggression and not as many brains as I remember the original Kirk having (and, given that Shatner always made my eyes roll, that's saying something). Basically, he doesn't interest me in the way the other characters do, because I've seen too much of this type before.

That said, I think the actor playing him has potential, if allowed to exercise some initiative in the next film.

Lance

Kevin,

Haven't seen the Lane's review. I'll look at it this morning. Is it as contemptuous of Trek fans as his Watchmen review was of comic book fans?

Minstrel, that's a very interesting connection between you and Spock. Have you ever written about it? Would make a great essay.

Winnie, my eldest son is AS. I asked him the other day who his favorite character was in the movie and he said...Spock. I said, But he's not your favorite on the TV show is he. I thought you liked Kirk. He said, Oh yeah, I like Kirk, but I've always liked Spock the best. That was before I read your comment. Now I'm looking for a chance to bring your point up with him.

Winnie

Lance...here's some of the ways I see Spock as a fellow Aspie to your son and myself...

Spock is highly analytical and obsessed with logic...classic Aspie thinking. He is also easily irritated by illogical behavior which is also true of Aspies.

Spock does not express emotions in the way that most humans do...(though, he does experience them just doesn't express them in the typical fashion just like Aspies,) and indeed has trouble responding appropriately to emotional human displays...

Spock has trouble getting the jokes made by the humans.

Spock has incredible memory and is highly intelligent and gifted in certain very esoteric fields.

He is very sensitive to sensory surroundings.

He is comfortable spending long periods alone with his thoughts.

Spock's often uncomfortable with human displays of "touchy feely" style bonding. When Kirk says, "See we are getting to know each other," and then gives Spock an arm bump in familiarity the expression on Spock's face is priceless.

Spock is extremely literal and precise in his speech patterns.

Spock was bullied and harassed as a child...(sadly true for most Aspie children,) and has difficulty forming relationships be they simply friendly or romantic as an adult.

Spock often feels ambivalent and divided about his nature and set apart from everyone around him.

C.C.

I could not agree with you more, Winnie.

As an aspie, I find Spock not only the most relatable, but also an ideal hero for an aspie child. Numerous Star Trek characters have been compared to aspies, but Spock is the only one who I find to be truly validating.

He is a character who is comfortable and proud of who his unique identity. I think that is a lesson to be learned. We can try to conform as much as possible, but at some point we just need to be ourselves and be appreciated for our differences.

As for Scotty, I would have liked to see more of him, but there's always the next movie coming in 2012.

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