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Bob

RE: This and the previous post; who are you and what have you done with Lance?

Kenneth Fair

Exactly. This is Steny Hoyer's doing, not Obama's. I'll continue to support Obama, but the DCCC isn't getting another penny from me.

Judith

"If he'd made a fight of this, he'd have lost. It would have been a double loss.

Actually 3 losses, he would have lost wall street enthusiasm.

But he would have had one big win - his credibility.

MikeT

Yeah, I pretty much gave up on telecom immunity a while back. I'm not happy about it, as I think the threat of prosecution could have been used to extract useful information, but for that to actually happen would have required too many congressional invertebrates to spontaneously evolve.

Thank god I'm a cynic. I can't imagine how painful this would all be if I was still idealistic.

Linkmeister

As I just wrote: "Better Democrats, please. I just wrote Senator Inouye to tell him he's already gotten the last vote he'll ever get from me."

Susie

Yum, yum. More contorted rationalizations in defense of Obama. These canapes are especially tasty.

Obama didn't have to wage a full stage fight. I think many would have been happy if he'd avoided caving in with a full throated endorsement of this appalling legislation.

On the other hand, maybe it wasn't a cave in. He told us recently to take him at his word. Perhaps we should.

Harry Reid likes his job and has no plans to go anywhere, last I heard.

Lori

Senator Majority Leader Clinton does have a nice ring.

But in the meantime, this is all very simple: Clinton did the right thing this time. Obama didn't.

Votes do matter. Even when one is running for president. He caved. No more rationalizations about electability and those mean old Bush Dems, please. Your veering too close to Beltway Think. Get a hold of yourself, man!

Lori

Senator Majority Leader Clinton does have a nice ring.

But in the meantime, this is all very simple: Clinton did the right thing this time. Obama didn't.

Votes do matter. Even when one is running for president. He caved. No more rationalizations about electability and those mean old Bush Dems, please. Your veering too close to Beltway Think. Get a hold of yourself, man!

lina

Holy cow, Lance. You're a lot smarter about politics than I ever gave you credit for. Impressive.

Beel

The most important reason to vote for Obama and nearly every other Democrat in sight is to clearly repudiate the Fasc...errrr...Republican Party and its bankrupt policies and philosophy. As Doghouse Reily says, Rush Limbaugh's corpse is the only thing blocking the drain at this point. But... as Chomsky and Arthur Silber and many others keep correctly pointing out, real, serious, significant change may not be possible. If Obama has gotten this far, that's a clue isn't it? Yallerdogism is the only choice in town. Or, as Robert Creeley said long ago, "Drive, He said..."

Avedon

I don't know. Let's suppose, just for a moment, that Obama picks a replacement for Justice Stevens who is far, far more conservative than what we need and what he could have gotten.

How hard do you think the Democrats in Congress will fight to force a Democratic president to pick a less conservative choice?

This is what worries me. Clinton passed a lot of ugly legislation because too many team players in the party let him get away with it, and too many rank and file Democrats weren't paying attention or were willing to trust him when they would have screamed about the same proposals from a Republican.

There are still an awful lot of people with stars in their eyes about Obama. I'm afraid he will be just what he sounds like, and most people just won't be able to believe they are being sold down the river by a black man whose policies are no different from the white guys who've been selling them out all along.

Doghouse Riley

I think the real question is how long the Democratic party will be able to convince people it "compromised", or "was played", or even "sold out". At this point it seems painfully obvious that the power in the Democratic party is held by people who want this sort of thing just as much as most Republicans do, who want the power, who don't want to stop the Iraq disaster, or prevent further ones, just to get out from under existing public failures so they can conduct their own.

The Republicans won elections for twenty-five years by promising their red-meat, Jesus-praisin' constituencies the moon and delivering nothing. Are rank-and-file Democrats as easily placated with "We're more like you than those other guys?"

And Barack Obama thinks he's going to raise half a billion dollars. Tell me again that he wasn't holding any cards here.

Judith

"As Doghouse Reily says, Rush Limbaugh's corpse is the only thing blocking the drain at this point."

This is hysterical! Well done.

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