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The Viscount

You've done it again Lance. Planted a seed that is currently germinating.

I have a lot to say about, SUV's, Pickup Trucks, Jesus Fish, and Bumper Stickers.

My job is currently getting in the way, (it has this annoying habit of cropping up and interrupting my thoughts almost every day!) but I hope to find the time soon.

Thanks.

Charlie Tangora

Except, apparently, for computer hardware and software. Software's a tougher question, especially in my field (video games) where the Japanese have been happily demolishing us for decades. But there's very little question about hardware - I'll bet you quite a lot that at least half the major chips in the computer you're using now were made by some combination of Integrated Electronics aka Intel (Santa Clara, CA), American Micro Devices (AMD, Sunnyvale, CA), nVidia (Santa Clara again) and possibly Array Technologies Inc. (ATI, Markham, Ontario). If you're using a Mac, International Business Machines in Armonk, NY also had a hand in it.

Sony has a bunch of chip fabs, but their last major attempt at a general-purpose processing machine, the Emotion Engine in the Playstation 2, is strange, wonky (the floating-point unit has flaws that put the Pentium to shame) and widely hated by developers. The Playstation 3 will be built on technology from IBM and nVidia.

I don't think this refutes your point about cars, but there's a question here: Why are Americans (still) so good with computers and so bad at other kinds of engineering?

Jennifer

"Why are Americans (still) so good with computers and so bad at other kinds of engineering?"

A really half-assed guess would be that the field of computers needs forward thinking people whereas other fields of engineering seem to draw the "what was good is still good" crowd. Wasn't Demings the production whiz who finally took his ideas to Japan instead of fighting the old school here in the US?

Exiled in NJ

And my father hated Cadillacs. Here's 1200 words about tailfins, Zeppelin and Dad.

http://www2.writing.com/main/view_item/item_id/612710

Kevin Wolf

Another terrific post.

By the time I was old enough to think about cars, the Caddy had become more disreputable. It was considered declasse because no one was buying them new anymore and if you bought one used that meant you were low class - or worse, black. I kid you not.

Linkmeister

jennifer, yes. Although he was invited to come to Japan after WW2; he didn't go there from any feeling of frustration with American industry, as far as I know. Many of his quality ideas were in fact adopted by US firms.

MoXmas

Historically, it was only a short time ago when American goods were considered quality. I think that's mainly -- if not entirely -- a post WW2 phenomenon. (That said, American steel has almost always been top rate, yet we were happy to get rid of the industry and send it to other countries.)

As a rule, though, America's economic power hasn't been about quality; it's been about cheap. Industrialization. Good enough products, made and sold cheaply. Or maybe not quite good enough products, but made in such quantities that they overwhelmed the competition. (Like the P-51 Mustang. Or the Sherman tank.)

Right now, for example, I'm driving a Ford Probe. You would only expect to get about 150K miles out of a Ford Probe. (I've got 187K on mine, but I'm crazy.) A comparable hatchback from Toyota, I would expect to get 200K miles out of it. But I would also expect to pay a lot more money for the Toyota. Would it even out over the long run? Eh, maybe. But a '93 Ford Probe cost me $3300 in 1999, and a comparable Toyota at the time would have gone for at least $5K, and maybe $8K. Screw that.

MoXmas

Let me add, though, that my main car right now is an '85 BMW. In 1985, I would have said anyone who bought a new BMW was a flaming a-hole. In fact, I think that about anyone who would buy an '06 BMW. Yet now that the car is 20 years old, it seems acceptable to me. I have no idea why.

blue girl

Lance, this post was dancing through my head today when I was at a client meeting specifically to get the third degree about something a supplier (that I hired) did wrong on a recent project. The supplier was there with me.

There's always a gray area when a client wants a discount because they don't think the job was produced "perfectly."

I know "perfect" is rare, of not impossible -- And I also the know the difference between "perfectly acceptable" and "It's just good enough -- that's my story and I'm sticking to it."

My supplier was trying to "stick to his just good enough excuse" and my blood was boiling. It was an unacceptable job by anyone's standards.

Anyway, I've known this guy a long time -- he actually owns the company -- you would think he'd have pride in a job well done -- and kind of feel bad about being such a shlub, trying to tap dance and weasel his way out of it, like he was doing. I was embarassed for him!

So, we leave the meeting, get down to the lobby -- and I stop him and ask him how -- how could he possibly NOT care about the quality of his work? How could he try to pass off such poor quality as perfectly acceptable?

After his weasely answer -- which basically was, "What difference does it make? It was a rush job. What did they expect? It's not that bad. Nobody will notice...yada. Yada. Yada."

All I could say back to him was, "You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie!"

MoXmas's comment just rang so true to me. Especially..."Good enough products, made and sold cheaply. Or maybe not quite good enough products, but made in such quantities that they overwhelmed the competition."

I don't think you ever make a ton of money by really caring about the quality of the work you do. Do you agree? It sounds so WRONG! But, sadly -- I think it's true.

Jennifer

blue girl-

Was he driving a bloated Cadillac?

Exiled in NJ

Sing along everyone!

"Cadillac, Cadillac
Long and dark, shiny and black
Open up your engines let ‘em roar
Tearing up the highway like a big old dinosaur."

Then think of Merle Haggard wishing 'a Ford and a Chevy would last ten years as they should.'


Exiled in NJ

I should have gone to Yahoo before coming here just a minute ago. Now I see IBM is freezing its Defined Benefit plan come 2008. 'are the good times really over for good.'

harry near indy

i second kevin wolf -- when i was a kid, white folks considered the caddy a black (ie, african american) car.

blue girl

Jennifer: No, he drives some sort of old generic car -- I wish I could remember what -- but can't right now. When I was in his car last week his engine light was one and when I mentioned it, he laughed and said it has been on for 4 years so there's nothing to worry about (!) -- (which I kind of have to love about someone)

But he is totally a Michael Brown and on my bad side right now and I can and will totally kick his butt tomorrow!

Also, he is a religious right Republican who used to have a moral compass -- and I won't fail to mention that either. Again (!)

I like these Springsteen lyrics:

Now some folks say it’s too big
and uses too much gas

Some folks say it’s too old
and that it goes too fast

But my love is bigger than a honda,
it’s bigger than a subaru

Hey man there’s only one thing
and one car that will do

Anyway we don’t have to drive it
Honey, we can park it out in back
And have a party in your pink cadillac

Yeah, baby!

ajay

it seems fitting that while we have a national leadership that would have been at home operating out of offices in the Kremlin our machines, devices, and products are as innovative, efficient, and adaptive as those of the old Soviet Union.

And, like the USSR, the exception is in the military. You had to keep a bucket of sand by your Foton TV set in case it blew up unexpectedly, but the AK-47 was the finest automatic rifle in the world.

Crispy

MoXmas, your Probe is a Ford body on a Mazda MX-6 chassis. I had one of those too. The body was junk - everything was broken. But, it started and ran great every day, for 160,000 miles, until a drunk ran a red light and totaled it.

MoXmas

Yeah, I know it's got Mazda chassis. Just like the Pontiac Vibe is basically the same car as the Toyota Matrix, just 4 grand cheaper. With a better radio, too, I think.

BTW, sorry if I've been a bit rant-y the past few days. You should see the stuff I cut out about the US military, and the tankers versus the snake eaters.

Honour Amongst Steves

For a while there it looked like American cars had struggled back from the abominable quality they had achieved before the 1990s. (My mother-in-law once owned some subcompact with the Pontiac logo on it. It had plastic panels molded to look like stitched leather, but get this -- they were made of translucent purple plastic and were unpainted. The Devil in the details, indeed.)

I remember in 1970 when the first Toyota Coronas were available, for $1900. I remember people saying, "Oh, how cute! The Japanese are building cars, just like us!" No-one's laughing now.

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